Editing User talk:PERCE-NEIGE

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[[User:Tom|Tom]] ([[User talk:Tom|talk]]) 17:12, 25 November 2020 (CST)

== Note: This wiki is basically dead. ==

Also, Auggie is incompetent, and Tom and Dom are sockpuppets of his. [[User:RandomUser34|RandomUser34]][[User talk:RandomUser34|<sup>''Make the East Red Again!''</sup>]] 18:23, 30 November 2020 (CST)

: Hi. Looks like a troll "random user). I don't see how Auggie could be incompetent, because this wiki seems fine.
If Auggie is alone, it's even more amazing, to run this wiki alone.
[[User:PERCE-NEIGE|PERCE-NEIGE]] ([[User talk:PERCE-NEIGE|talk]]) 06:38, 1 December 2020 (CST)

:: The wiki may ''look'' fine now, but you weren't here for the times Auggie refused to remove hoaxes and conspiracy theories, you weren't here for the June 2019 incident, you weren't here when Auggie basically shut down the wiki (and lost the few regular users he had) and deleted a forum that he owned because someone found and posted some publicly available information about him to a forum, and he got mad because the forum refused to remove the post (You created a legal corporation (Encyc Worldwide LLC), if you didn't want people to figure out your real name, you shouldn't have done that, Auggie). And then of course there's his bizarre habit of using sockpuppets (Tom, Don, and I've heard he used to use a sockpuppet named Duke of Puke back in the early days)... [[User:RandomUser34|RandomUser34]][[User talk:RandomUser34|<sup>''Make the East Red Again!''</sup>]] 09:22, 1 December 2020 (CST)

::: Sorry, but I can't agree with you, private information are private, it's not because someone create a website, that he is forced to make his or her identity available. And if he refused to remove hoaxes and conspiracies, it's his site, so he is the boss and does whatever he wants. If a forum refuses to remove private info, there are means, at least in Europe, to force it to remove them, or to be closed. For sockpuppets, if it's true, yes it's very weird, but it's not forbidden, unless he uses the accounts to mock or cheat other people, but if he doesn't do that, I don't see the problem.
Your account is not closed, and you seem to be free to express yourself, so I don't think he is a kind of dictator here.

:::: You don't need to create a corporation to run a website, if you create a corporation, then anyone can find out who you are by contacting the appropriate government agency. His info is not private, it is in fact very easy to access, and the only surprise is that it wasn't found earlier. And I don't buy the "oh he owns the website, he can do whatever he wants". He needs to at least do the bare minimum and put a disclaimer on the offending pages. or else this website shouldn't be allowed to remain. The greater good is more important than some crap about "fReE sPeEcH". And the sockpuppets thing is indeed "very weird", and it makes me suspect this is some bizarre attempt to create an illusion of there being more activity than there really is, which, if that is the case, is very dishonest. And I was blocked a while ago, but for whatever reason, I was unblocked, or the block expired, and now I'm not. [[User:RandomUser34|RandomUser34]][[User talk:RandomUser34|<sup>''Make the East Red Again!''</sup>]] 09:12, 2 December 2020 (CST)
::::: But you seem to like the community here, or editing here, because you come back.
For the conspiracies, what kind is it? It doesn't bother me, as what some people call "conspiracies" are not (it's only censorship), and some are really conspiracies, like alien reptiles invading the world, but in this case, people are clever enough to think by themselves, and to see it's nonsense. Except of course, if it's cult propaganda. In this case, it's dangerous.

:::::: I liked this website until I found out about how Auggie basically lets Les do whatever he wants. At which point, one thing lead to another, and thus began the June 2019 incident, in which I launched a sustained vandalism campaign, and then Cliff (aka Delicious) showed up and greatly assisted me. And I do believe that conspiracy theories should be removed from here, because there will always be some idiot who actually believes it. [[User:RandomUser34|RandomUser34]][[User talk:RandomUser34|<sup>''Make the East Red Again!''</sup>]] 11:25, 2 December 2020 (CST)
::::::: I can't approve a vandalism campaign. And I can't approve broadcast of personal data, founding a firm or not.
::::::::I appreciate that, Perce-Neige.  We're trying here, to create a wiki encyclopedia that is respectful of people's privacy. [[User:Tom|Tom]] ([[User talk:Tom|talk]]) 10:07, 3 December 2020 (CST)

== Free speech ==
Hello and sorry to interject.  You two are raising some interesting questions regarding free speech.  These are questions that every website that depends on user-generated content struggles with.  Is the solution to bad speech really more speech?  When should site management take an active role?  It has certainly been an interesting year with sites like Facebook and Twitter experimenting with warning tags and banning controversial users.

The other reason I dropped by is to advice you that Random's responses might take extra time to appear because he and all new users are now under moderation.  This means that a moderator must approve their posts before they go public.  I hope you don't see this as repressive.  It's just that the amount of time the admins here spend cleaning up after vandals has become too burdensome. [[User:Tom|Tom]] ([[User talk:Tom|talk]]) 15:57, 2 December 2020 (CST)
: No problem. The only thing that bothers me, is that I cannot see the contributions from an user in the left side menu.
:: Yes we've been experimenting with some ways to keep users focused on encyclopedia-writing instead of each other.  Hiding user contributions was suggested somewhere and we thought it was worth a try. [[User:Tom|Tom]] ([[User talk:Tom|talk]]) 08:02, 3 December 2020 (CST)

Yes, freedom of speech is important, there are big threats on it, I really fed up with governmental censorship we have here in Europe. People are not children that must be protected, they have a brain. Infantilization of citizens is not a solution (or they should remove democracy, because it's dangerous), and tell them what they have to believe or not, is not a solution. As far as theories are not full of hatred, calls for terrorism, killing or harming people, or cults (because cults harm), it's fine, because we have tools called "logic", "sources search" and "critical mind".

Really, it's very dangerous for democracy, every government can decide that this or that is "conspiracy theory" and forbid citizens to talk about a topic. Look what is in China.
Everything that is not discussed, can't be discussed and debated, hide something.

Recently a French documentary made a big buzz (about coronavirus and coronavirus management), it was censored for "conspiracy theories" by hosting websites (Vimeo.com). And what was the result of the censorship? Millions of people watched it!

[[User:PERCE-NEIGE|PERCE-NEIGE]] ([[User talk:PERCE-NEIGE|talk]])

:Europe is a special case because of World War II.  France had a situation where the police and civil servants had been involved in rounding up Jews and political prisoners and sending them off to concentration camps, and you wanted the survivors to feel safe returning.  Germany itself needed to go through a process of denazification.  It was necessary to avoid a situation like in Turkey where to this day the official government position is that the Armenian genocide never happened.  Maybe 75 years later it's time to revisit these policies.  Personally, I favor a free marketplace of ideas where the governments take a more limited role. [[User:Tom|Tom]] ([[User talk:Tom|talk]]) 08:15, 3 December 2020 (CST)